>> it's not seismic shift because it's maryland and maine. they're blue states. what's going to happen is when these referendums come up in red states they're never going to pass. the country is gradually going to divide along those lines. >> it's not a never. it's a yet. >> the debate has moved. you've seen conservatives move on to a position they never would have had ten years ago, okay, another 10 and 20 years -- >> pull that graphic up again. >> which one, maryland or maine? >> maryland. >> look at the vote total. although you say it's a blue state that is steel. extremely small amount of votes. and so you're still going to have this issue, because when the president came out in support of same-sex marriage he said he supported it in terms of states deciding. again, you can have these initiatives, at the end of the day, the supreme court is eventually going to have to rule. >> 2012 -- >> to me it wasn't surprising because i think it's a generational shift. you're going to see more republicans like margaret, like meghan mccain, like myself who are pro-gay righ